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The other day I was interested to read that, at least in the U.S., self-checkout machines may actually get less common in stores.

While self-checkout technology has its theoretical selling points for both consumers and businesses, it mostly isn't living up to expectations. Customers are still queueing. They need store employees to help clear kiosk errors or check their identifications for age-restricted items. Stores still need to have workers on-hand to help them, and to service the machines.

The technology is, in some cases, more trouble than it's worth...

Retailers may continue to rely on the technology, but many aren't putting all their farm-fresh eggs in the self-checkout basket. Instead, they're increasingly giving customers the option to choose between human and machine.

For the customers that do choose to do the labour themselves, there's one thing Andrews believes won't change. However ubiquitous the technology is, and however much consumers get used to using the kiosks, shoppers are likely to find themselves disappointed and frustrated most of the time.

"It was part of a larger experiment in retail in trying to socialise people into using it," he says. Simply, "customers hate it".

I am glad to hear that a mix of human and machines is likely to remain available at checkout because I know some of the customers who not only don't hate it but prefer it: Andrew was always delighted when he could get through a trip to Asda without having to interact with another person at all. The touchscreens and practically-hidden bar code scanners on those self-checkout machines mean I avoid them whenever possible, but the best accessibility comes from having options, because whatever's a nightmare for one person is going to be essential for another.

Almost as soon as I'd read this, I was reading takes on how this phenomenon could apply in other areas. Of course I was thinking about accessibility; people who work in tech were thinking about tech.

Some of those takes overlap; like number one here is "The user is always inexperienced." People who just buy groceries have never scanned groceries as much as someone who's done that job. Also, independence is a myth. They word it differently; this is how I am wording it because some disabled people and groups speaking for them emphasize "independence" and it drives me up a wall, because none of us are independent.

If you scan an item twice, select the wrong payment method, accidentally get charged for a bag when you brought your own, forget to scan your discount card at the right time, or make any other trivial mistake, you are now at the mercy of someone else. When a problem does occur, a staff member has to notice it, come to your aid, figure out what happened, and correct it. You were promised self-service when, in fact, you are so disempowered that you can't troubleshoot or correct a single thing that might go wrong.

This makes me think about the campaigning against closing almost all the train station ticket offices in England. Apart from all the ways those machines are inaccessible, machines contribute to the unnecessary expense of train fares, already a particularly complex racket that is expensive at the best of times and ensures people pay too much when they buy the tickets themselves. You have to be an expert to understand how to buy appropriate, never mind cheapest, fares, sometimes even making an journey regularly doesn't leave people confident in their ability to get the best price and not get treated like an illegal immigrant by the train guards.

The particular disempowerment of waiting for someone who looks sixteen to determine that I'm old enough to buy ibuprofen is something that occurred to me recently. The need for humans to intervene every time the machine thinks you've scanned an item twice when you haven't, doesn't think you've put it in the bagging area when you have, and vice versa means the few staff who are employed expect to be called over for false positives as much as any actual needs. I've been age-verified by people who didn't even seem to glance at me. Trying to split the checkout tasks into those that can be done by shoppers and those that must be done by staff hasn't really proven to be very effective or fun for either group, in tasks that mostly weren't all that fun to begin with at least there's a smooth process when the person who's processing the rest of my groceries is also making one extra gesture when they get to the beer.

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Date: 2024-01-30 10:07 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Rachel in hockey gear on the frozen fen at Upware, near Cambridge (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28

I really and honestly prefer self-checkout, but then I did actually work on a checkout for a while in my teens, so maybe I'm unusually comfortable with doing it myself. (And I have a lot of human interaction and emotional labour in my life and I often find it a relief to just use the machine rather than navigate another social interaction.)

My dad likes the version where he takes the scanner round the shop doing the weekly "big shop" and then doesn't have to unload and reload the trolley at the end. As that's a model of food shop that depends on a car, I very rarely do it, and haven't ever bothered to jump through the hoops to self-scan a trolley load on the occasional car trip. (I guess our weekly big shop is the online delivery, which is another model again.)

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Date: 2024-01-30 10:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] haggis
They also really don't work when you have a full trolley. There isn't enough space to unload and reload.

Tesco has barcode scanners that you can carry around the store which would help with the part I hate - unloading and reloading the trolleys. However, Zoe threw a tantrum because she wanted to play with the scanner and Daz hates them so I haven't tried them a second time.

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Date: 2024-01-31 12:45 am (UTC)
jesse_the_k: Robot dog from old Doctor Who (k9 to the rescue)
From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k

Good points!

The tech-focused article mentioned the “on cart” scanners which I’ve never seen in the upper Midwest (yet). That seems like a tech which could work better, inasmuch as when I reach for a product, I’m more likely to know what it is and see the location of its bar code.

Fewer-than-ten aisles seems like a good trend: when human intervention is required at least it’s not holding up people with 40 minutes of scanning to do.

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Date: 2024-01-31 01:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] barakta
I hate that in busier shops (which already overload me) that the helper staff are SO rushed off their feet sorting-self-checkout issues that they swoop in and off too fast for me to process and I struggle to hear them. It's not the same as a checkout where they tend to be less harried and also in a fixed position opposite me due to positionings so I am able to follow cashiers quite well. I also find cashiers are very willing to "pack my bag for me" if I hand them the reusable bag - they see my hands then and clock disability and are very very helpful as a rule in big and small shops. I haven't used a big shop alone in years tho, probably not since 2019 as Kim does our shopping or I am with her.

I can only use self-checkouts if they have a manageable user interface AND by turning my hearing aid off cos the voices of my machine and all the machines together sounds like a cacophony of shouting. I can't tell which machine is issuing what instruction (mine or others) and the stress of processing that is very high. I definitely have a trigger point with robot voices which I perceive as shouting at me cos I can't ask them to stop, slow down, repeat, rephrase - sends me into fight/flight. Then of course hearing aid off means I pretty much hear nothing at all so can't parse the humans and hearing aids take too fucking long to switch fucking modes.

A friend of mine, a partially deaf, autistic/ADHD wheelchair user struggles cos she wants to use self-checkouts but needs the lowered ones and not shit "not very good lowered ones". The local chain shop she uses replaced their good machine with a shit one, and their response was "but you can use a staffed checkout" not understanding that friend can't cope with humans most days and likes the machines. She even has an employee on her side who says the brand store ignores the staff giving feedback on disabled user use cases when employees give it too. Not enough listening going on.

I must also not rant about the common use of "DDA compliant" on auto machine shite of all kinds when there IS NO SUCH THING and never was, ADA compliance is a specific thing cos they have actual specifications that we in the UK do not have in our disability law cos we're stupid and reasons. The DDA died 14 years ago... (oh dear, soz, this is a rant isn't it). And I'm not even a wheelchair user!

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Date: 2024-01-31 02:33 am (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
Even if they're at an appropriate height for a chair user, you normally have to turn side on to be close enough to use the scanner, which means you're lifting your entire shop out to the side, and hey, some of us have dodgy shoulders to go with the other dodgy joints.

M&S in St Pancras, which went all self-checkout several years ago, has them absolutely crammed in together, and had the brilliant idea of putting screens between each machine (may have been a covid thing, but they only disappeared recently). So you could only approach them with the chair front on which was bad enough, but they also had huge feet on the screens, over a foot across and domed, so you couldn't actually get to the checkout, never mind use it. Just as well its not a wheelchair trolley kind of store....

Meanwhile, with most other stores, I've yet to use their machines without getting a repeated "Unidentified item in the bagging area". Yes, that would be me. I'll only use them under protest and if a staff member does the entire process for me, which rather misses the point of having them.

There are some specifications

Date: 2024-02-04 09:07 pm (UTC)
jesse_the_k: Sign: torture chamber unsuitable for wheelchair users (even more access fail)
From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k

In the ADA, but not enough.

Notably missing are many details on pavement and curb ramp construction, which means inaccessibility has been set in concrete all over for 30 years.

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Date: 2024-01-31 05:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] otter
Some of each makes sense. I prefer going through checkout with a live person working the till. But I often have to wait longer in line, and once in a while ask someone to open a checkout lane. I hate dealing with touch screens and automatic prompting in general. But I understand that many prefer it.

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Date: 2024-02-01 09:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
It's especially annoying when you're waiting for ages for staff to show up, and they're not actually busy, they just haven't noticed, despite the BIG FLASHING RED LIGHT on top of the mast that every self-checkout has, EXACTLY for the purpose of alerting staff.

I do like them though - they're generally quicker, there's less of a queue. But if I have things that need weighing I'll go to the staffed checkout.

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Date: 2024-02-09 04:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
I tend to find that they don't look at people at all. In restaurants, I have a pretty good knack for attracting the attention of staff with facial expressions and eye contact, but not at all at self-checkouts. I just stand and wait until they notice the flashing red thingy they're not looking out for!

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Date: 2024-02-02 07:03 am (UTC)
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)
From: [personal profile] silveradept
If we treated the self-checkout machines like the express lanes, that might make things work better. But, as noted, they only work when they work, and the design of the blasted things seems to be intended to be as inacessible as possible for as many people as it can be.

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